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■ Broadcast: CBS Radio FM 98.1 (18:25~20:00)
■ Host: Park Jae-Hong Announcer
■ Panel: Director Kim Seong-hoe, Kim Byung-min, visiting professor at Kyunghee University
■ Conversation: Yoon Hee-sook, former member of the People’s Power
◇ Park Jae-Hong> The Yoon Seok-Yeol government’s candidates for the government’s ‘Daddy Chance’ are raising suspicions one following another, drawing public outrage. Under this circumstance, the Ministry of Education recently reported that between 2007 and 2018, there were 96 cases of university professors unfairly registering their own or a colleague’s children as co-authors, but only 5 cases were found and their admissions to universities were canceled. It is the atmosphere that sparks controversy following the announcement.
Regarding this, when we conducted a complete survey of the children of professors at the medical school, law school, dental school, and oriental medical school over the past 10 years, someone suggested it, so we brought it to the studio. People’s Power, former lawmaker Yoon Hee-sook, welcome. Recently, her father sold the land in Sejong City and donated the entirety of her profit of 300 million won, what was the promise the lawmaker promised, didn’t he keep it? The matter that led to her resignation is over. How do you feel?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> No, I didn’t promise it, my father promised it, and I am thankful that my father kept his promise. But actually, I had some very difficult moments during this incident, but now that I think regarding it, the paradoxical thing is that I have awakened as a politician? Because before that, I came here as a policy expert and was doing professional work, so I suggested my role. I work as a necessary policy expert in the party. I said I don’t know much regarding politics, but even following I resigned, I experienced Korean politics briefly and boldly, now it’s over. What do you live for? It was like this. But now, within a day, many people in the Democratic Party have become 30. Just because 30 people worked for KDI without any basis, I create unscrupulous criminals and bury people in this way of speculation using insider information. Even in our party, there was a bit of a stop-loss atmosphere. So, I don’t think there are many people who felt as strongly regarding the problems of Korean politics as I did at that time, and I have to contribute to fixing this. Rather than a human being, in my view, there were some very dark people like that, 4th, 5th, and first grades. So, if I want to fix the way these people are holding politics like that, I have to show the people something different, yes, I really have to start my politics now.
◇ Park Jae-hong> Yoon Hee-sook’s politics has just begun.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> That’s when my politics really started. So, from then until now, I am neither in the National Assembly nor holding any public office, but that is when I started to feel myself as a politician.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. Do you have any regrets in that regard?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> In a sense, I am very blessed.
◇ Jaehong Park> Blessed? Was it a good choice?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Did you say that you have discovered the calling of life?
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Even the calling ceremony. okay.
◆ Kim Byung-min> Rep. Yoon Hee-sook is blessed, but other lawmakers are in a very tense situation, aren’t they? Is it because you set your moral standards too high?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Too much?
◆ Kim Byung-min> Because I raised it too high.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Did you raise it too high?
◆ Kim Byeong-min> You have to show that the rest of the people are responsible enough to Rep. Yoon Hee-sook.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> I wish it might be like that. I have a message. At that time, if I am not accused of anything, I will throw my seat as a member of the parliament. These people are keeping their mouths shut, now.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> So, politics needs to change a bit, and I want to be a summoned person when that happens. Our teacher, Seong-Hui Kim, is also very good at it, but I saw it.
◆ Seong-Hui Kim> It was.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> I’m not much here, but when I go to other shows, I do a lot.
◇ Jaehong Park> Have you seen it all?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Are you willing to apologize publicly?
◆ Kim Seong-hoe> I think I raised a worthy suspicion. So I want to go back to that issue and talk regarding it.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Don’t talk regarding that today.
◇ Jaehong Park> I understand. First of all, I look forward to Yoon Hee-sook’s new politics. This time, however, the member of the National Assembly proposed to investigate the thesis of the professors’ children. Now, following the medical school, the law school, the law school, the dental school, and the oriental medical school, he said something like this. Why did you point out these four schools in particular?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Say things like that. You say that high-ranking officials and members of the National Assembly have to do it, but I understand why you are saying that, but the reason for using Dad’s Chance and Mom’s Chance in such an unjust way is different from the past, and now it is with the network of mothers and fathers who are in the profession. There are things like embedding a dissertation using abilities and an internship. So now the problem is mainly with the professor’s children, the main channel. So, first of all, in order to do research, you need to have some available energy and competency, so the places I usually go to now are medical schools, dental schools, and then oriental medical schools. I think I forgot a little bit of medicine, but I wish I might include medicine.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Should we add a pharmacy? by breaking news.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> No, because the College of Natural Sciences puts a lot of people through experimentation.
◇ Jaehong Park> I need a lot of papers.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> These are the departments in which experiments are involved, mainly. It is not easy to be included as a co-author in the liberal arts college.
◇ Jaehong Park> It’s not easy, actually.
◆ Seong-Hye Kim> Was there an opportunity that made you interested in this issue in the first place?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Actually, this is it. Real estate failure is one of the reasons why we changed our government, but we talked a lot regarding Mr. But now, during the personnel hearings, this is becoming a hot topic once more.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right, Dad’s chance.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> I don’t think the whole country can move forward even one step if it goes like this. If society was so outraged during the former Minister of Home Affairs, then the social leadership would have to apply a better standard than that.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> A better standard should be applied more strictly?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> That’s right. No, it’s the same standard, but we don’t know, so why shouldn’t we do this? But actually, this time, Sherlock Park Sang-gyu paid a lot, both qualitatively and quantitatively. I saw that and thought this was worth raising an issue. Because in the meantime, I knew that something like that would happen, but I had no reason to say anything. When Minister Cho Kuk happened, there were many professors and juniors around me. One of the funniest things those friends were saying is not that I am ashamed, I think I am doing what I can, but when I see the Minister of Homeland’s house, they say that I need to work harder.
◇ Jaehong Park> Should I work harder?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> This is beautiful, This is what happened, the behavior.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Those things from the children of professors to raise their children’s specifications.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> There is a society that has it all, and there is it, but how do I get rid of it? The time has come to rectify that.
Former Justice Minister Cho Kuk, who was handed over to trial on charges of corruption in children’s entrance exams and former Busan Deputy Mayor Yoo Jae-soo, attends the ninth trial held at the Seoul Central District Court on the 11th. Reporter Park Jong-min
◇ Jae-Hong Park> So, would you agree with the former Minister Cho Kuk, who said that it is fair to conduct a full investigation and take the same measures according to the same standards for this situation, then?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> So it’s a bit sad, I. Because most of our time at our school was like that, but our teacher Jo Gook was almost like a star to the female students of Seoul National University.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> When is our lawmaker attending?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> That’s right. At that time, he was a lecturer at the University of Ulsan, and he often wrote for the university newspaper and was very fond of it. But now when I see him aging like this, I feel a little sad. Because right now, it’s true that other people are saying that. He was a candidate for the Minister of Justice who protects our country’s justice. And he was the heart of a colossal government. What caused such a scandal is that I sincerely sincerely apologize to the public for why I did something wrong, why I did this, and what I made a mistake in my life, I have never heard of.
◇ Jaehong Park> You apologized a lot.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> No, I mean, I’ve never had much of a feeling that I’m looking back at myself at the fundamental level that we’re going to talk regarding today.
◇ Park Jae-hong> About the apology of former Minister Cho Kuk?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> So, he is the public figure I expected, and he is a huge leader. Why do you hate me now? This is not the time to talk like this. It’s just that right now. Why do you hate me? This is it. I don’t think it’s time to say that.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Didn’t Democratic Party Chairman Ji-Hyeon Park mention the full investigation and say that an apology from former Minister Cho Kuk is necessary and that he can apologize hundreds of times?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> The content of the apology is important.
◇ Jaehong Park> Is that so? Park Ji-hyeon, chairman of the non-commissioning committee, had the same problem. Let’s expand the scope of the parent chance survey to all universities at all times, the opposition and the ruling and opposition parties must agree to the full investigation. What regarding these proposals?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Well, I’m not sure what that means. 6. 25 Are you talking regarding going up to the war?
◆ Seong-Hye Kim> Since this thesis has been used for college entrance exams since 2007, there must have been a little bit of it before that, especially when I was studying abroad, but even if you think it won’t be there, wouldn’t it be at least from the time it was used at domestic universities in 2007?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Until when?
◆ Seong-Hye Kim> From 2007 to 2018.
◇ Jaehong Park> When the student department started.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Not from then, but a little bit of a pull, right? Actually, when I said 10 years, I was roughly talking regarding the statute of limitations for counterfeiting old documents. that 10 years.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> The timing can be adjusted.
◆ Seong-Hye Kim> Since you said June 25, I was speaking out of context.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> So, all the times are open. That doesn’t make much sense. Because there is a limit to the capacity we can put here socially.
◆ Kim Byung-min> I think there are people who think of 2019 while watching this news. When the ex-Chief Minister Cho Kuk incident broke out, Minister Yoo Eun-hye stepped forward and spoke as if she was investigating the whole thing, but in the end, it ended up with an edge, didn’t it end? Our Rep. Hee-sook Yoon served as the chairman of the Korean committee, looking forward to tomorrow during the presidential election. Here, I raise the value of fairness in these matters high and tell the public regarding it, and I think that if these issues, which have not yet been announced, are fully deployed, it will not end as an event and will impress the people. What do you think? do you
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Well. For me, this is a problem that needs some awakening. Because the most important thing is the ethics of the professional profession. In fact, this is not a matter for the state to intervene one by one. Developed countries are making a harpoon from this work ethic. For example, I gave my son a proxy experiment. Once this is known in the professor’s society, it’s just a matter of lifelong harpoon.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> I will express it as not being active.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> That’s right. is that so? Sorry for the expression I used.
◇ Jaehong Park> You have a lot of anger in your heart.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> No, it’s not anger, I’m not good at language. In other words, it means that the ethics of the profession are as important and strict as the direct intervention of the state. But in our country now, this means that the professors society is very lenient when it comes to their children’s work, and they look out for each other. This needs a bit of a trigger, but during a transition like this, I think it’s necessary for the government to conduct a full investigation and do this now. It seems necessary now, but in the long run I think this is a very bone-shearing magnetism in the professional profession. You should be ashamed of this.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Professional ethics?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> That’s right.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Then, following 10 years of total investigation, who should be the subject of the investigation?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Even now, the Ministry of Education did it. What the Ministry of Education is doing now is a thesis for underage children, right? Did you see a thesis with underage children stuck in it? But what I’m proposing now is to take a look at the entire admissions process, such as an internship for a professor’s child, or a thesis like this.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. By the way, doesn’t your professor have the nickname of a populist fighter? Then you pointed out this issue in relation to populism, in what context should we understand it?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> So, we usually think of populism as a politics where we sow money. Basically, populism means that people who do politics using a certain sense of deprivation or hatred of people make everyone on the other side of me the elite, those who abuse the established vested interests, those who abuse the social system, those who only support the people, those who only protect the people, But the people are not the whole nation.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Your own camp.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> You are only doing your own support. This is the traditional form of populism. And the tool that governs it is just releasing money, to self-supporters. But the basic driving force is a sense of deprivation. A sense of deprivation for many. No matter how hard I run, I can’t get there. Those people, those fathers and mothers can’t compete with those strong children, and when this sense of deprivation grows, it becomes difficult for society to integrate. But it’s the same in any country. That’s what Professor Michael Sandel said a while ago that Harvard should be chosen by lot. Because, how are you going to eliminate the difference between parents who have learned a lot and have a lot of money, and those who don’t? There is a limit to the government’s ability to take care of children as well as possible and provide good early education when they are young, obviously. Because parents who have learned a lot and have a lot of money are also very passionate regarding education.
◇ Park Jae-hong> I know how to educate and I know which academy to go to.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> That’s right. So, in developed countries, it is all a problem and a concern right now, so we have to teach the children here the humility that everything has gone well on their own. Because these parents, who are called social leaders, work hard and come home every day to play with and educate their children, and not to this extent, but to bend the rules now. He bent the rules and broke the rules and used them in a way that was beneficial to him.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> I even came up with the word “poky”.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> No, I think this is a standard word.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> The meaning is coming closer.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> So, the social leaders who manipulate the rules are actually destroying the system. Now is the time when such self-esteem is needed. Because, like other developed countries, in my opinion, in the next 10 or 20 years, rational people who are in the middle of fighting unreasonable populism and hate politics will do this by planting the seeds of anger in the hearts of the people to make them feel good. It’s not regarding getting rid of it, it’s regarding getting rid of the cause. The person who needs to get rid of such a cause is the leaders who think regarding the social community, then public figures. Public figures here are people who receive their salaries through taxes. mainly professors. Professors are people who get their salaries from taxes, in fact. And people who say that all public officials are social leaders like this should be held accountable to that extent.
Candidate In-cheol Kim, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Education, Candidate Ho-young Jung, Minister of Health and Welfare
◇ Jae-Hong Park> So now, Kim In-cheol is the Minister of Education candidate. And there is a controversy regarding the father’s chance centering on the candidate for Minister of Health and Welfare Jeong Ho-young. If you look, there is talk of a thesis for Minister Ho-Young Jeong, followed by a Fulbright Scholarship for Minister of Education Kim In-cheol. Isn’t there a story that all 4 members of the family received it? what to say It is likely to continue to be an issue at the hearings. There are voices saying that I should resign voluntarily, but what regarding the lawmaker?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Actually, this is something that cannot be known from the outside, the substantive truth. So, I think there is a possibility that you may feel resentful. If it has caused this much controversy right now, I wonder what it would be like to take responsibility a little more as a leader in this situation, in a polarized society where there is a lot of conflict in our country right now.
◇ Jaehong Park> Excessive responsibility.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> A little more, what I mean is that you have to reveal yourself following this whether there is something wrong or not, and the actual truth is that at the hearing, you can see yourself a little cooler now, and that is the most important thing.
◇ Jaehong Park> What do you do at the hearing?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> The most important thing is that people get tired when they see people just arguing over this, and the most important thing is that. When the hearing report was not adopted, when the Moon Jae-in administration made more than 30 people ministers without adopting the report, the national powers severely criticized it. what does this look like And the most important thing is where the hell did you bring all these people from, where did you find them? But then there are two things. First of all, I want you to show a more cool side for the whole community.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> What is your cool look? Should I resign, then?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Actually, I wish I did.
◇ Jaehong Park> Both of you?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Not only the two of you, but those who are now being controversial. So, I’m not saying you should resign, but I want you to look back. To keep crying over this. Does making a strong argument rather than arguing give people hope? This is how it feels. And the second thing is that not only the teachers of our country but also the people who greeted us, when we saw the greetings of the Moon Jae-in government and criticized them, isn’t it because they only look for people within themselves, because they are so crossbreed that they find everything within them. But looking at the way they say hello now, it makes me feel a bit insensitive in a sense.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Is it a growing crowd?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> Well, I don’t want to say that, but not yet. But in the eyes of the people, I have a feeling, why did I get such a difficult scholarship twice at this house?
◇ Jaehong Park> Fulbright Scholarship. Candidate In-cheol Kim.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Looking at this, shouldn’t we have to find a person in a slightly wider soil from the perspective of the public? In this diverse background. Of course, that’s not easy. It’s not easy, but I think it should have been the case if we had prioritized it here. I don’t know regarding it this time in the future, but I think it would be better to prioritize and find those things in the future.
◆ Kim Byung-min> I think this is something you can talk regarding because you are Rep. Yoon Hee-sook. Because even though he was convinced that there was no problem, he resigned from his position as a member of the National Assembly in order to prove it, and now, I still do not know regarding Rep. Yoon Hee-sook here, but I think he was talking regarding his own standards. That’s why I said earlier that the whole political circle in Yeouido would be nervous if the contents were expanded.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> By the way, shouldn’t there be an opportunity to reveal it at the hearing because it is really unfair just to raise allegations?
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> That’s right. If you want to have it. If you want to explain it, you can’t stop it. But my point is this. It may be embarrassing personally, but you can do that later.
◇ Jaehong Park> After? later?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> I also took off my badge and was investigated by the police. But personally, I can, but my actions can give the people hope in a sense in a way. What a wonderful job that minister is, honestly.
◇ Jaehong Park> Is that so? Still, I can do the work that takes the responsibility of a department.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> That’s what we’ve seen for decades. At the hearing, arrogance and disgrace were all over the place, and following a year or two without doing much, such an appearance cannot give hope to the people like that, and it is not possible to give hope to the people. I mean, it’s a crisis.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> When looking for people, they see two issues: morality and ability. Isn’t meritocracy a very important point in the current government? I think it can be argued that this is what happened following looking at the ability.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> So, what is that ability? That ability is increasingly being defined by the world as ability. It’s not regarding the number of papers or the number of papers we thought of before, but communication skills and the ability to win people’s trust, which are very important. This is the last part we are talking regarding now. How long can you keep trusting the people as a public figure?
◇ Jaehong Park> Can you give me hope?
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Hope and trust. Because even if there is an unfair part where you can lose trust right now, you’ve taken away a lot of assets from that part.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> So, candidates with some problems should resign gracefully.
◆ Yoon Hee-suk> I wish I might resign, I hope you think regarding such an option.
◇ Jaehong Park> I understand. Senator.
◆ Yoon Hee-sook> Actually, I don’t think that’s always the case, but since our society is going through a very special time right now, I think we should be more strict. Because we’ve been hurt so much, in order for us to heal those wounds, I hope that those who are now called elites will play a role in such an alley.