2023-06-09 08:10:54
Putin’s brutal campaign of annihilation breaks through the last barriers of civilization: now even water becomes a weapon! Defenseless civilians are said to drown, rescuers are shot at with artillery shells. Maybrit Illner is also appalled: “By all means – a new dimension in the Ukraine war?”
The guests
Omid Nouripour (47, Green). The party leader tweeted with concern: “Another level of escalation, which as a war crime must not remain without consequences for Russia.”
Christian Mölling (50). The military expert dampens Western impatience: “Ukraine will not let itself be told when to start the offensive.”
Liana Fix (46). The Russia and Eastern Europe expert judges: “At the moment, all the evidence points to Russia,” because the destruction of the dam “is something that fits in with Russian warfare.”
Sabina Adler (60). The journalist (“Deutschlandfunk”) reports: “At the moment there is enormous resentment among the Russian elite, who of course see: their fortunes have been melting away at a rapid pace for the past year and a half!”
Claus Kleber (67). The ex-ZDF moderator (“heute Journal”) believes: “It has been shown that it is worth being a nuclear power because then you can wage conventional wars as brutally as you want.”
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The topic of the talk show was: “By all means – a new dimension in the Ukraine war?”
Most realistic picture of the situation
“The Ukrainian counter-offensive has just started,” reports expert Fix from Washington. “It is very successful, contrary to what the Russian government spokesman says.”
“It was a dam under the control of the Russian side,” states Green Party leader Nouripour, agreeing with the Chancellor: “It’s a new dimension in warfare. Everything indicates that the Kremlin is responsible for this.”
Most devastating record
DLF journalist Adler laments the dire consequences for Ukraine: arable land has been washed away. All crops will be lost until the dam and canal system for the large area is rebuilt.”
And, the journalist continues: “It’s another attack on the energy infrastructure. The Zaporozhya NPP cannot be cooled. There is the coal power plant next to the nuclear power plant, which was also very important, and the hydroelectric power plant, which is occupied by the Russians. It’s a huge loss!”
Plausibelste These
“We can be sure that it wasn’t material fatigue, but a blast,” Mölling also makes clear, “because there is obviously seismographic data that makes that clear.”
Because, according to Mölling: “You can’t just march into such a dam like James Bond and throw a grenade. It has to be prepared for hours and days. That was very planned.”
But, he suspects: “They probably didn’t want to blast at this point in time, but only much later. What has come out now is not very controlled. There is a lot to suggest that this shouldn’t happen in the dimensions we’re seeing now.”
Military expert Christian Mölling
Worst horror scenario
“A new type of weapon was drawn and possibly exploded in the perpetrator’s face,” suspects Kleber.
Mölling fears “risk of epidemic from cadavers”, also “cemeteries have been washed out” and “you can’t imagine what a horror that is for the Ukrainians.”
Most psychological diagnosis
“The nuclear power plant was a means of threat from the start,” says Adler. “The invasion took place via Chernobyl, and that was no coincidence. Playing with the West’s fear of a nuclear catastrophe has been Putin’s calculation all along.”
In her opinion, behind it is “that Putin wants to see success”. The destruction of the dam may also be a sign of this incredibly divided military structure. Maybe someone wanted to produce successes and didn’t think of anything else, just looked into the tunnel.”
Most Dangerous Threat
Nouripour recalls that IS mined a dam in the Euphrates in 2016: “A brutal symbol!” he warns. “These borrowings from ISIS barbarism are not new. We’ve had a case where a Ukrainian prisoner of war was beheaded on camera.”
His analysis: “It’s about pushing the buttons of fear for us. This is of course desperation” because “they are not making any progress at all”. And of course you know “that a country with so many nuclear warheads can also use the worst weapon.”
Green party leader Omid Nouripour
Most reassuring reviews
“In fact, Putin gambled away his cards too early,” says expert Fix. “The more times he bluffed, and the more times his threats turned out to be a bluff, the more the Biden administration’s position has changed, until now we see that even F16 fighter jets are in play for Ukraine. “
“The sanctions are needed,” assures Nouripour, “and there will be more, especially after such a catastrophe. But it is also true that we are now looking much more closely: Where are they being infiltrated?” And: “The numerous war crimes must not be forgotten.”
Military expert Mölling is even convinced: “Putin can no longer escalate militarily.”
Most encouraging signs
“That’s what we hear from a few top oligarchs in the West: there are blatant, really serious allegations against Putin personally,” reports Adler, “because the accounts are blocked because the children are no longer allowed to study abroad. In other words, where it hurts the oligarchs.”
More importantly, the DLF journalist continued: “A fight is already foreseeable: Who will get this wealth when Putin is no more? Putin is the one who personally collects all this wealth. There will be a really hard fight for these assets.”
Darkest Prophecy
“We see that more and more private armies are emerging,” warns Adler, “and not just at Prigozhin. Prigozhin is the one who blatantly challenges Putin, who calls him a grandpa, an idiot, and worse things. This is a sign that a power struggle really exists.”
The journalist quotes the Russian political scientist Andre Piontek in Washington, who “says very clearly: We are dealing with a civil war here.” Many private armies are springing up!”
Russia expert Liana Fix
Most explosive development
“The latest example is Gazprom,” adds the journalist. “Gazprom is creating a private army. They say officially: It could be that their infrastructure is attacked. It can be. But it can also be that they want to get something for themselves.”
Adler’s analysis: “In any case, this is a very big danger, because, according to the forecast, there will be new distribution battles. Because certain fortunes of this now ruling elite may become ownerless. And then there are a lot of interested parties who will also fight for it.”
Worst info
The DLF journalist knows about the irregulars who are now advancing from Ukraine to Russia: “These are not Ukrainians, they are neo-Nazi Russians. Russia has a huge neo-Nazi scene.”
And, Adler continues: “There are forces on the move, including in Russian society, that are finally forming to resist Putin. It’s simmering under the lid!”
Most cautious assessment
Mölling’s verdict on the expected large-scale Ukrainian offensive: “We have seen a sharp increase in military activities for several days, but these are certainly not the main combat forces. It’s an attempt to find out in direct contact with the opponent: what’s going on here?”
His prognosis: “To the east of Zaporizhia there are two places where there is more activity. That’s the shortest way from the front to the Sea of Azov.” But: “Ukraine will have several plans. And there will be casualties now. We will now also see western combat material that breaks.”
Most optimistic expectation
“We shouldn’t pretend that it will be over in six months,” warns Nouripour. “But it is becoming increasingly clear that there is not eternal staying power on the Russian side.”
“We do all this because it’s about our safety,” Mölling recalls. That is why Ukraine’s admission to NATO is “no charity”.
Regarding the prevailing view that NATO will not admit a country in a state of war, the expert concludes that this is not mentioned anywhere in the treaties. For him, the following applies: “If all 31 members raise their hands, Ukraine is in NATO, no matter what principles were decided in the past.” Amen!
quote of the evening
“War is chaos. You can never really know how it will turn out.” Christian Mölling
Conclusion
Info instead of ideology, plain text instead of gibberish, analysis instead of propaganda, the Putin trolls had to stay outside: That was an anti-panic talk in the “cooling pool” category.
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