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◇ Jae-Hong Park> CBS Radio bout interview. Today, we are discussing what should be the direction of national administration, with Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the People’s Power, and Yoon Seok-yeol, the transition committee. Now, the elected president has announced this policy that he will abolish the assessment function in the affairs of the presidential office and the abolition of the chief civil affairs office. Chairman, what did you hear?
◆ Kim Jong-in> Well, I guess that’s what the president-elect will do now. As part of this, they’re talking regarding getting rid of the senior civil affairs office. It means that there is a senior civil affairs office and it is not just a negative function. It is important for the president to properly understand the trend of public opinion when leading the overall state affairs, and then he will have to think regarding who will be in charge of such a function and where will he do it. So, in the beginning, we are talking regarding it now, but now, when we are actually running state affairs, if we feel that this is necessary once more, then we will call it a different form anyway.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Wouldn’t you like to make one?
◆ Kim Jong-in> I think we need a mechanism that can properly grasp the people’s so-called doctors.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. So now, in some areas, since you are the Prosecutor General, you don’t need the Senior Civil Affairs Office, what is it now? Are you thinking that way because you think that the Justice Department or the prosecution can control it?
◆ Jongin Kim> No, I mean, from a certain point of view, you might say that. But, in fact, it would be nice to have a senior civil affairs office to look at civil affairs, but it was said that it was the former senior civil affairs office, but a lot of prosecutors came and kept taking the role of dealing with cases that the government needed, so I got a very bad impression of the senior civil affairs office, but only its function You can take it out.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> It would be really good to become a senior civil affairs office for civil affairs.
◆ Kim Seong-hoe> By the way, it seems that elected Yoon Seok-yeol has a lot of experience with prosecutor-general and as a prosecutor, so there are a lot of concerns regarding expanding the autonomy of the prosecution.
◆ Kim Jong-in> In fact, the most desirable thing for our current president-elect Yoon Seok-yeol is that we should not pay any attention to the prosecution.
◇ Park Jae-hong> About the prosecution.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Actually, if the president pays too much attention to the prosecution, the prosecution has no choice but to become a strange prosecutor once more. Even in the past, the president should reform the prosecution, then he should not reform the prosecution. What kind of power institution reforms you are doing to reform in order to keep using the power institutions to eat? I have no choice but to change by judging what needs to be done, so please, the president not paying attention to that is the most so-called reform task.
◇ Park Jae-hong> I think it would be better for Rep. Kwon Seong-dong to step down as Prosecutor General Oh-su Kim himself today. Didn’t you say that? How do you judge this part?
◆ Kim Jong-in> Well, I heard that voice today, but during the last election, the current president-elect Yoon Seok-yeol said that he might guarantee the term of President Kim Oh-soo’s term by taking that term. I think it’s not the right attitude to talk regarding this already regarding personnel issues.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Rather, it seems to be saying that such remarks can harm the elected candidate. It’s regarding the Blue House official residence. It will be the era of the Gwanghwamun government building, it is coming out in the media. Chairman, how do you see it? I think this is being done to be different from the previous government.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Well, I don’t see the fact that the president served as imperial president because of a house called the Blue House. In our country today, the president actually started with the past President Syngman Rhee, and even during the time of President Syngman Rhee, the constitutional power of the president was not as strong as it is now. However, since the time of President Park Chung-hee, in the process of revising the constitution, he had no choice but to rule authoritarianly, so all the powers for it were entrusted to the president. Exercising that authority is to become an imperial president, I don’t think being in a house called the Blue House does not make you an imperial president. So, even if you move your house to another place, if you take the power that is in the current constitution and wield it powerfully, you will have no choice but to become the imperial president.
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◇ Park Jae-hong> If you go to Gwanghwamun and wield it powerfully, it will be of no use.
◆ Kim Jong-in> For example, the current president of our country has been in the National Assembly 9 times since I was in the 87th year, and I often talk regarding it recently.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Even though the National Assembly elections were held 9 times, there was no one in the National Assembly who came up with a sense of leadership, a proper leader. where is the reason The president was given such royal authority to talk regarding himself, ignore the party that made the president, ignore the National Assembly, and take full control of the judiciary. This is how he becomes the imperial president. It was as if the president was in a house called the Blue House, so he had no choice but to be the imperial president. I don’t personally agree with that. I know because I’ve actually done this work within the Blue House, but I did it to the president at the time. Make a distinction between what the president can do and what he can’t. Now that the president has a lot of power, the truth of the president is whether the story comes out of his own head or just reads as someone writes it down. I can’t identify it. Because 99% of the people they support are people who are really blindly loyal.
◇ Jaehong Park> Is it 99%?
◆ Kim Jong-in> As I write what those people tell me, in fact, it violates the principles of democracy and the rule of law is not allowed, and everything is like that.
◆ Kim Seong-hoe> I suddenly remember that Chairman Yoon Seok-yeol once told me that I need to be a good actor. He said he had to read the script like an actor.
◆ Kim Jong-in> So, during the election and during the election period, there are cases where a candidate’s remarks are repeatedly wrong and the votes are cut. In fact, it’s regarding working with the campaign headquarters and having a sense of unity with the candidate, not another story.
◇ Park Jae-hong> Now, tomorrow, President Moon Jae-in and President-elect Yoon Seok-yeol are having lunch, and one of the main agendas there is talking regarding the pardon of former President Lee Myung-bak. What is your opinion, Chairman?
◆ Kim Jong-in> Actually, I’m going to be elected tomorrow.
◇ Jaehong Park> Luncheon. 
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◆ Kim Jong-in> When the president met, of course, did the elected first take it and demand it? Otherwise, the incumbent president is a person who has the authority to grant a pardon now, so in order not to burden the person who will be the next president. Because it’s a problem, I think it’s wise for President Moon Jae-in to take the problem himself and solve it.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> The president is saying that it would be better if President Moon Jae-in solves it. Now, throughout the presidential election period, there has been a lot of talk regarding the president’s wife now. So, whatever Kim Gun-hee is talking regarding. So, the president-elect Yoon Seok-yeol said that he would abolish the second affiliated office of the Blue House. How do you judge this part? Is it correct to abolish it?
◆ Kim Jong-in> No, it’s okay to have or not have a second annex. Even a person called the president’s wife has no choice but to exercise certain public functions. In several ceremonial aspects of this. Then you don’t have to have someone to support it. To do that, what kind of secondary rooms are used. So, if we get rid of the second annex, a specific person in the first annex takes on the function and plays that role, I think there should be someone in charge of that role.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right.
◆ Geum Tae-seop> There are talks regarding the abolition of the Ministry of Leisure and various other internal affairs, but in fact, even if many people look at Ukraine right now, international relations are changing rapidly, and especially since there is a conflict between the US and China, the new government thinks that diplomacy or international relations are really important. What do you think of the chairman’s point of view? In the midst of the conflict between the US and China, which direction should Korea go?
◆ Kim Jong-in> But the truth is, in my view, the most important person among the current cabinet members in our country should be the foreign minister.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Minister of Foreign Affairs, in the next government.
◆ Kim Jong-in> The truth is that the economy is important right now, but the economy has no choice but to go back within its framework. The international community is moving very subtly now, and the US-China conflict will only get worse as time goes on. Because the United States is not as completely superior as it used to be, and China is suddenly emerging as an economic power amid the trend of the United States’ relatively declining global influence. Therefore, how will we maintain our alliance with the United States and how our economy will be affected when we have to build a stake with China in relation to China, where a quarter of our so-called exports go? Will you be able to go back properly? Because of this, the truth is, there are a lot of talk regarding what is now called a diplomatic issue, and if you see some articles, it is right to go very hard. There are a lot of people who say this. I don’t think so. So you can’t do Lee Myung-bak-style diplomacy in the old days, and you can’t do Moon Jae-in-style diplomacy. There’s no such thing as stupid diplomacy like thinking of things that shouldn’t be done. For example, if we conduct diplomacy in a way that we once pretended to be unification of, we will always be left behind. So now, even more so, the recent war in Ukraine is showing the transformation of globalization itself, and the economy itself is not moving like it used to. Considering that aspect, I think it is important for President-elect Yoon not to listen to only one side of diplomacy, but to listen carefully and make a rational decision in this regard.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> In that sense, the appointment of the foreign minister is also very important. Let’s talk regarding candidate Lee Jae-myung for a moment. In the Democratic Party, it has become a non-captain system, and some say that Jae-myung Lee should be seated as the vice chairperson, while others say that he should take a break. Candidate Jae-myung Lee, what is the future role?
◆ Kim Jong-in> Candidate Jae-myung Lee What? In a situation where the Democrats don’t know what to do following losing the presidential election now.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right. I’m at a loss for what to do.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Until yesterday, as a presidential candidate, I am in a situation where I am lamenting that I myself have fallen too badly because I ran a bit of a presidential race. Look.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Chairman, no matter what kind of emergency, no matter what party or party, didn’t you play the role of handling the emergency situation a lot? How do you view the current situation of the Democrats?
◆ Kim Jong-in> No, in fact, I served as the bloated chairperson for both sides, and in fact, I started a crumbling party.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> General elections from election measures.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Both sides were made like this so that he came to power. To be honest, the people working in our party need to wake up.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> You need to be alert.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Times are changing, and 40% of voters in our country are college graduates. Few countries have such voters. If you do it yourself, people will be able to follow you unconditionally. I think how foolish it is to make such a judgment. So this was back in the 70’s or 80’s. Even with the kind of thinking that happened at the beginning of the 21st century, we can’t take our country’s voters and drag them to their side. Those people know all too well. More accurately than any politician, I have a more accurate understanding of what ordinary voters are doing. So, what kind of politicians are caught up in the old way of thinking, let’s do something extreme, what do we do, what do we do? Looking at it this way doesn’t help much.
◆ Kim Seong-hoe> Chairman, Candidate Jae-myung Lee talked regarding political reform in person following meeting with Chairman, and he talked a lot following that.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Actually, the Democratic Party made a promise to Lee Jae-myung, and didn’t the Democratic Party vote on it at the general assembly?
◇ Jae-Hong Park> It was decided by the party argument.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Don’t think that it’s past, but stick to it, and if the Democratic Party says it will reform the system to change the real Republic of Korea’s politics, the public’s response may be more favorable.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Rather than subverting the political reform agenda, I sincerely show the people how to keep the promise of the previous political reform agenda.
◆ Kim Jong-in> It would be much better for the party’s image to be improved if the Democratic Party’s non-captain is making it happen.
◆ Kim Seong-hoe> But now, in reality, it seems that the non-captain of the Democratic Party will do more preparations for local elections. If the political reform agenda becomes central to the party representative election in August, it seems that the Democratic Party will be able to regain the people’s love once more.
◆ Kim Jong-in> So, the truth is, the people of the Democratic Party do not rely solely on the non-captain, but rather, when the Democratic National Assembly has a discussion regarding how to take what they promised to the general public and how to realize it, the people will rather like it. I think you will have more.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Then, would it be better for Candidate Jae-Myeong Lee to go to the party representative election in August?
◆ Jongin Kim> I don’t know regarding that. what is this
◆ Geum Tae-seop> Candidate Jae-myung Lee would not know that.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Still, the chairman is a ninth-dan politician.
◆ Kim Jong-in> Because that person is still old, he must dream of a political comeback once more.
◇ Jaehong Park> That’s right.
◆ Kim Jong-in> How you will achieve your resilience depends on how you think, but that remains to be seen.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> Candidate Jae-Myeong Lee may come to see the chairman once more, are you willing to meet him?
◆ Kim Jong-in> If you come, we should meet. 
◇ Jaehong Park> I understand. Now, there is talk of the Daejang-dong special prosecutor, and it seems that the Daejang-dong special prosecutor will be an issue. Rep. Tae-seop Geum is saying that it should not become too much of a controversy, but how do you like the chairperson? I think the opposition and opposition parties are still pouring their energy into the special prosecutor issue.
◆ Kim Jong-in> As for how to deal with judicial issues, it will be a compromise between the ruling and opposition parties, or whatever.
◇ Jaehong Park> I understand. Lastly, the question I would like to ask the chairperson is that the listener asks if Yoon Seok-yeol has contacted the chairperson following he was elected. Have you ever been contacted?
◆ Jongin Kim> I got a phone call once.
◇ Jaehong Park> Is that right? What did you say?
◆ Kim Jong-in> No, I said thank you for all your help, and I said that I want to become a successful president.
◇ Jaehong Park> You exchanged good wishes. Some key advice though. Essentially, how can you be successful?
◆ Kim Jong-in> The truth is, what I want to say to our elected president, Yoon Seok-yeol, is not to think regarding handling everything too hastily.
◇ Jaehong Park> Don’t be in a hurry.
◆ Kim Jong-in> But looking at it now, I have the impression that everything will be easy in no time. I always say that to people who have been elected president, and I explained in detail in the book Why Presidents Fail This Time. In general, it takes a very long time to get out of that ecstasy when you are elected president. So, the moment you’re elected president, all these people go up on the clouds. If you’re on the clouds, you’ll meet the sun, so you always think that everything will go your way. But the reality is not like that at all. ‘Cause you can’t see the ground So please, I think the secret to a successful president is not to spend too much time in ecstasy like this.
◇ Jae-Hong Park> He said that he hoped that he would keep that advice in mind and become a successful president. I heard you well today. Kim Jong-in was the former Chairman of the People’s Power General Election Commission. Thank you.
◆ Jongin Kim> Yes.
