2023-11-04 04:24:00
Interview with Denise Dumas by Tatiana Schapiro
“I can’t wake up or continue the day without mate,” says Denise Dumas as soon as she steps into the Teleshow studio, ready to chat regarding everything but always accompanied by her thermos, also essential in the dressing rooms of the Multitabarís theater, where It’s Us stars. , along with Jesús Mosquera, Sofía Pachano, Gastón Soffritti and Lionel Arostegui.
In the play, a couple who have been together for a decade must face the traditional crises caused by routine when a third party crosses the path, moves the floor, and they have to decide what to do with it: “Tell it and share it, solve it alone, or take a shit,” the actress proposes.
—In real life, would you prefer that Campi tell you if a situation like this arises or that he solve it alone?
-No. I don’t even know. If I found out, I wouldn’t be able to continue. It would be very difficult for me to believe once more. Solve it, come back in love and choose me well once more.
—Today, where are you?
—I’m happy, but half torn: Santi (19), my only son, left for New Zealand to work for a year.
—Have you been thinking regarding it for a long time?
-Yeah. She finished school and told me that, as an experience, she wanted to leave. It breaks you in the middle. He left happy, with his best friend, but it’s strange.
-What will you do over there?
—Now you have a month and a half in Auckland until the cherry plantation comes.
Denise Dumas participates in a fun game with Tatiana Schapiro
—Are you afraid that he wants to stay?
—Yes, it scares me, but if he wants to stay it’s because he’s happy. He has a future there. This country is difficult for young people, unless they have a very strong vocation. Getting a job is difficult. The issue is that New Zealand is very far away, the ticket is very expensive. Let him come a little closer, at least halfway… If his tooth hurts and I want to go, I’ll arrive two days later (laughs).
—If your tooth hurts and you want to go, it will still cost you a little: the ticket is expensive.
-Yes it’s true. Let him take a painkiller (laughs)
—Did you send it with a first aid kit? Did you check his suitcase?
—We send everything. The same thing happens to me: it’s big and it’s fine. At home, Fran, the youngest, grabbed the room.
—Do you think it has more to do with a son growing up and having his experiences or with what you just said: how difficult it is for young people?
—With how difficult it is here. Santi is a family member, he is a very friendly person. That way he would have made one more experience trip. He has to do with how the country is. One day he did the calculation of how much he would have to work to be able to buy a house here and how much he would have to work to buy one in New Zealand, and he said: “I can have a house there in four years and here, in 170; “I can’t live enough.”
—And knowing the privilege that one has, if he misses he can come back or you can go look for him.
-Exactly. He has a return ticket, he is healthy, he left because he wanted to. I lived what it is like to lose someone seriously… This is a beautiful experience. Does it bother you a little? Yes. Does one miss it? Yes. Do I want to hug him? Yes. I miss months of sharing. But hey, it’s rearming with the camera, it’s something else.
The massive farewell to Santi (Instagram)
—Are you referring to the death of your sister? Were you 11 years old?
-Yeah. Little girl. That’s why I say: don’t make it sound like “Oh, what a drama I have!”
—If you have to choose three moments in your life that marked you, what are they?
—And… first, the births.
—Were everyone good?
—Everyone was very good. I had four cesarean sections. With Isa, who was the first, it was long. I didn’t want to go to a cesarean section, but she weighed 4,300 kilos and wasn’t dilating. She was divine. I enjoyed all four of them.
—And the puerperiums?
—Santi’s was a little more difficult. He had Isa who was one year and 8 months old. The newborn. A year following Santi, I separated from Germán (Barceló), so it was getting more difficult. Santi was born and had a couple of things. He had a ductus in his heart that had to be seen. He had a hard time settling in. At times, it was a lot. Have you seen a lot of talk regarding how difficult it is? I don’t know if time has passed but next to everything else, nothing happens. Yes, you cry, you are sleepless. I remember that Fran used a transparent pacifier, she would fall to the floor and you wouldn’t see it. And it was four in the morning and I was on the floor. I remember at that moment saying, “Oh my God!” But today, I laugh.
-Another moment?
—Meeting Martín (Campilongo) changed my life. My marriage to him. All that was a before and following. And if we go to the sad part, the death of my sister, without a doubt. And dad’s death.
—How old were you when your dad died?
—I’m 24 and he’s 57. After what happened to my sister, Dad was older, but he was 50 or so.
—It was within what was expected in the law of life, but it is still painful.
-Yeah. She didn’t get to meet the boys. I married Germán and 15 days later dad died. He was already very sick.
—Your sister’s death falls more into the realm of maddening, in a way, because one doesn’t expect it.
-It’s not understood. It is not explained.
Denise Dumas, with her inevitable mate, in the Teleshow studios
—He must have hit your parents very badly.
-Yeah. But the two continued. They made sure that my brothers and I were happy. There was something there that was nice. My mother tells me: “I continued for you.” She made it. My house continued to be a house with people and a happy one. She made a lot of effort. The day I became a mother I said: “Wow, they left everything in that and it showed.” Anyway, it’s before and following: I grew up knowing that it’s a phone call and there’s no turning back. Life happens to you on the other hand. I listen to the kids and it is a gift to listen to them. I don’t take anything for granted. Hug them every day. That every day they can tell me “I love you.” Every day of my life I say 10, 11 “I love you.” It’s a lot.
—Was that your first contact with death?
-Yeah. My grandmother died when I was six years old and I adored her, but for me she was already grown up. I didn’t experience it that closely. My sister and I slept together.
—And it was a phone call.
-Yeah. They woke me up. Mom and dad came to wake me up in the morning to tell me. The house was already full of people.
—And that taught the importance of today’s kids being able to say 10 or 12 “I love you” per day. Do you always keep that here and now in mind?
-Yeah. There are times when it doesn’t: when I start to get into trouble, I go back down. I look, I listen, I see that everyone is fine, I look at my house and that’s it. Sometimes the routine takes you halfway: I get anxious regarding nonsense and I come back. Janine’s death made me grow, in that sense.
—Being able to value what there is, because if not it is always missing.
-Clear. And you always wear the city, the obligations, the money, the taxes…
—Welcome to Argentina.
—Of course (laughs). Yeah.
Denise Dumas and Campi (Teleshow)
—How is the driver doing?
-Very good. Making The Debate, in America.
—You proposed the town jury.
—Yes, town jury. I love the jury and I love the debate. I love analyzing them, who give points. I have a lot of fun dancing. I’ve been doing This is the Show for years, so I love analyzing it.
—It’s been a long time since you did theater. How did they convince you?
—Carlitos Rottemberg called me, we are very friends. I was out of work and he offered me this. Then came The Debate. Did you see when everything is given to you together? I went from doing nothing, to everything together.
—Do you get anxious at times when there is no work?
—Oh, I’m so happy. No, no: I love not working. I love living (laughs). And I love my job. But no: I get along very well with not working.
—Aren’t you afraid that nothing will come out?
—The issue is economics. If I didn’t need to work, forget it. I work because I need it and because the driving force behind my work is the kids: “You want the club, you want this, you want that, we’ll change the refrigerator.” I have had to do jobs that I didn’t like as much and I do them anyway. But if I might not work… In fact, I had a time without work these months, until I returned.
—With Campi they are both artists, so they both have moments of higher and lower income. How do they organize the economy? Is there a rest that is always saved for bad times or are they a shot in the air?
—Zero shot in the air. Martín is very responsible in that. He says: “If they started this, we can’t one day tell them I can’t.” And I tell him: “Well, dad had his moment, sometimes he might and when he mightn’t take it anymore, he told me ‘Look, I can’t’, and you also learn from that.” “No. But we are going to try.” He is very responsible. At first it was very difficult for us to enjoy ourselves, to be able to take a trip or something: “We’re not going to spend the money, just in case.” The cost. Afterwards, no: “Now that we have this moment, we take a trip, we enjoy it. “The work is going to come out.” And yes, save and invest in other things.
Denise Dumas with Gastón Soffritti, Sofía Pachano, Jesús Mosquera and Lionel Arostegui, her colleagues in This is Us (TheRemake Press)
—Who is the head investor of the family?
—Martin is very thrifty and I am more the one who handles daily life and investments; we are both.
—Today investing is buying five cans of tuna…
—(Laughs) It’s a lot. And then we resell them (laughs). It is buying a dollar today and selling it tomorrow.
—Who decides if it’s dollars, getting into property or stocks?
-Together. All together.
—And are you interested in those topics?
-Yes I love it. Everything that your life can give you. Feed your children and give you financial peace of mind, welcome. What happens is that in this country, Martín has three jobs, I now have two, and that’s how we are.
—Did you ever bully anyone?
-Yeah.
-Whom?
—To Abel Pintos. I am a big fan of Abel Pintos.
—In what situation did you cholule him?
—In all possible situations. In all. I had to be with him in PH because they knew that I am a big fan and it was a shame. I cry, cry and cry.
—Did you musicalize any of the births with Abel?
—I musicalize my life all the time. In my house only Abel Pintos can be heard.
—It’s a lot Denise.
—Yes, it’s a lot. For every situation in your life there is a song by Abel Pintos; You don’t need anything else.
—I propose a game: I’m going to give you a choice between two situations and I want your answer.
—Dale.
—Do you prefer to always be the one who washes the dishes or fold bottom sheets with elastic every day?
-Dishes. Also, I wash the dishes at a speed… I like it. I worked as a waitress when I was young and many times I had to wash; So, I’m taking it out.
—If you worked as a waitress, there is a Denise who leaves good tips.
-Of course. Always. Even if they treat you poorly, it doesn’t matter: (the girl) might have been having a bad day.
—Being incapable of lying or always discovering when they are lying to you?
—I prefer to be incapable of lying. Let’s see… No, always discover! Oh, both! They are very extreme. Always find out when they are lying to you. The truth above all. But me, I keep lying (laughs).
—Sex every day or once every three months?
—And… it depends on the time, but now that I’m in the doldrums (laughs). Now you tell me every day and I run away. But once every three months is a lot. Isn’t it worth once every four days? That would be the ideal. But if you can’t, I would tell you every day then. It’s a lot. What a fiaca!
—Always arrive an hour early or 20 minutes late?
—20 minutes late, always. How far did I get today? 10 minutes late. Today I was really good. An hour before is even disrespectful. It’s a discussion I have with my husband.
—But you can wait downstairs: you don’t have to ring the bell.
—Yeah, well, but you’re wasting your life standing down there.
—Lose all your memories or not be able to create new ones?
—Not being able to create new ones.
—Will you close here, with the ones you have until now?
—Yes, all cute.
—Travel to the past or the future?
—Oh, it seems that I am a little nostalgic: for the past.
—What if I give you the possibility of a two-hour talk with whoever you want from the past?
—And… with dad once more. Yes, I really miss chatting with him. I was very clingy.
—Of the grandchildren?
-Yes of all. Everything I did was the little sign wishing me luck.
—Lose your cell phone or lose your car?
—I lose my cell phone all the time. All the time. And I have something that is great for those who say that there are a lot of stupid people in this country: they always give it back to me. Always. In fact, four days ago I called and it was in a pharmacy, a man had it. He gave it back to me. Before, a man from a truck who was going to step on him found him and I called him.
Denise Dumas and her classic smile in the Teleshow studios
—Ah, but you seriously lost it! It’s not that you lose it inside your house.
—No, I forgot: I traveled to visit my brother in Brazil and I forgot my cell phone, and I called and a Brazilian answered. My brother looked for it and brought it to me. Nothing matters less to me than the cell phone. The fact that they find you all the time, that you are having lunch and the cell phones ring, is: “Come on, at some point we will be here.”
—Is there a rule at home regarding this?
-Yeah. There is no cell phone on the table. I will now be able to live without a cell phone. I still can not.
—The most bizarre exchange they offered you?
—I’ve had gummies, which the kids really liked. But what was great, which I loved, is a great exchange, but the brand song that I had to do was very cool. It was: “Casa Alfredo, oh. Casa Alfredo, oh.” And I had to sing it and I sang it, divine.
—And every time at home everyone watches The Debate together, they watch it thanks to…
—”Casa Alfredo, oh, oh.” But also the song was eternal and the kids told me: “Well, that’s it, mom. She is already there, come on.” “You guys record me once more.” And I put on a snow effect. I gave it my all.
—Would you prefer to do a sexy dance for Martín or have him do it for you?
-No; I. He dies laughing. Yes, it amuses him a lot. He laughs a lot with me.
—I mean, that time every three months that we are…
—I do the sexy dance and ruin the moment (laughs).
—It’s still not worth doing an erotic dance and having the other person die laughing. He ruins you.
—For him, laughter is the most important thing in life.
-For you too?
-For me too. He makes me laugh.
—Is he a good dad?
—He’s a very good dad. He is a classic dad, huh; He is not a cool, cool dad. He is a dad who sets limits, order. This thing regarding work, saving, planning. You have a lot of responsibility with parenthood. He had it since he met me with Isa and Santi when they were little, when he went from being single and assumed a responsibility with Isa and Santi who were one and two years old, they were very babies. That killed me with love. It was this protective thing that he has. And he is the father of many fathers around him, of friends.
—Does anything regarding everything that is coming in the country give you hope?
-Yeah. Hope is the last thing you lose. We have to accommodate this somehow. There are such terrible things happening in the world and we are so privileged that it is: “Come on!, get your act together. “We have everything to be well.” What a punishment we have for politicians. What a disgrace, right? With all my respect. What a shame, because we have everything. But I always put hope in it. When the one you voted for wins, when the one you didn’t vote for wins, always a vote of confidence and saying well, it’s there for a reason. I hope it’s this one, come on.
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