2023-10-11 13:07:05
Martin Caparros, a renowned writer and journalist, expressed that he understands that people are “pissed off” with the two previous administrations and are looking for a new option. “It is a very big change for society to think that The only thing that matters is what each individual can win over another individual.“, he stated in Modo Fontevecchiaby Net TV, Radio Profile (AM 1190) y Radio Amadeus (FM 91.1).
In your last article, you began by reflecting on the situation you saw in the referendum for peace in Colombia, where it seemed that everyone was in favor of peace, and yet, the referendum went once morest it.
What do you attribute to when logic seems to go one way and society the other? Is there a search in that surprise? Is the message coincidentally that?
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What interested me to remember that followingnoon in Colombia is how several friends who were convinced that the yes vote for peace was going to win suddenly found that They lived in a country that was not the one they believed.
I cited it because that is what happens to me with Argentina. It’s probably my mistake and my problem, but I can’t understand what a character as crazy as Javier Miley have a chance to be the president of the Republic.
This is worrying for many things, but among them, the one that worries me the most is not knowing what a country is like that can elect that man.
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Does that mean that Argentina is different from what you thought it was?
Clearly. If Milei is elected president, it is a country that I will have to try to understand somehow.
There are many considerations, the failures of the last 20 years, clearly, justify a search for something very different.
The crisis, the misery, the lack of hope and expectation, justify why many people are very angry with the two parties that have governed this period. But the channel through which this anger manifests itself is a man who says that he is advised by his dead dog.
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A man who thinks that the only thing that matters is the markettransactions between individuals, that society must abandon all attempts to create general harmony among its members, which is what societies are supposed to do, and that it must let each of its members take whatever advantage he can by buying or selling whatever.
It is a very big change for society to think that The only thing that matters is what each individual can win over another individual. instead of thinking regarding how we can all get out of this thing together.
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I imagine that the majority of Americans who vote for Democrats, 90% of university students, must have had the same strange situation when they found that the United States was different from the country they imagined, when they won. Donald Trump…
Clearly. In that case, I confess, he gave me a little pleasure. Because the United States had spent so much time giving us lessons in democracy, civility, and organized society that the fact that they suddenly found themselves in a situation so similar to the one they had looked down on for decades, I’m sorry, but I’m sorry. It gave a little pleasure.
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They themselves said “the United States now looks like a third world country.” No, it seems like the country it is.
Indeed, many were very surprised. The same thing happened in Brazil. I remember many Brazilian friends who They were sure that Bolsonaro might not winand months later he was governing.
This kind of inability to understand each other is very strange.
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Listening to you, two reflections occur to me. On the one hand, that of the classical Greeks that “every intellectual is a foreigner in his homeland.”
On the other hand, Freud’s concept of “uncanny”. The sinister as the bad of the familiar, that which is next to one, that leaves one perplexed, because the bad looks different when it is outside of one than when it is in one…
Indeed. What you say regarding foreignness is probably true, but at the same time, it is perhaps the condition that, from time to time, if you did not have that distance, you would not be able to see.
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I’m not saying always. Many times one can be wrong, but distance, from time to time, allows you to understand something that was not clear to everyone yet.
When you come across this how so close nest things that one cannot understand and have a hard time toleratingit is very strong.
I hear myself saying all this and it seems to me that I am describing a very dramatic situation, and to me it is. But I imagine many people, whom I have listened to, especially young people, for whom voting for Milei is not a drama, not a big decision. They simply say: “well, the others are so bad, let’s see.” what’s up with this one”.
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Does that country make you feel old?
I feel old without needing that. But not particularly because I wanted to feel young, if feeling young was voting for Milei for a few tiktokwhich is what we think is happening, but I don’t think it’s that, there has to be more than that to justify what is happening.
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Taking advantage of your experience in Spain, what comparative elements can be established between Vox and the Milei phenomenon? Milei does not have a party behind it and emerged very quickly, while Vox has been building over time.
I think there is a basic similarity which is that, in recent years, the rebellion seems to have settled on the right. It is one of the most curious phenomena of the last ten years.
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In many countries, the sense of strong disagreement that logically exists, makes many people look for the extreme right parties. In general, this disagreement tended to lead people towards some left-wing option. That is no longer happening, and it is a very radical global change, which will have to be seen how long it lasts and what type of situations it produces.
That said, it seems to me that also There are big differences between Vox and Milei. The first would be that Vox takes up a old tradition disastrous Spanish, she is Francoist. What Vox does is, in the heat of this growth of the right in the world, dare to be Francoist out loud and ask that they be supported for that.
From ’75 until now, in Spain, no one might clearly say that he was a Francoist. The Popular Party tried to ensure that no one caught it in Francoist positions.
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The Vox people were in the Popular Party all these years. Vox saw the opportunity to legitimize a far-right discourse, traditionalist in all aspects, very Catholic, very conservative, once morest any change in customs, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-everything.
Vox takes up a tradition that was very established in the Spanish people, because in the end here there were always 10 or 15% of people who identified with Francoism even if they might not say it.
On the other hand, I believe that Milei invented a spacewas not there or, at least, we did not know it was there.
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Perhaps many people who supported the military dictatorship in Argentina, 10 or 15 percent, joined Cambiemos and Pro, in the same way that Vox was part of the Popular Party, and now saw the possibility of expressing it in a more forceful way. The difference would be that, in Argentina, it went from 15% to 30%.
Yes, but Milei and Villarruel began to return to the speech of the soldiers of ’76 when they were already well established. They didn’t come up with that idea from the beginning.
On the other hand, I believe that many of Milei’s voters have no relationship with the military dictatorship, neither for, nor once morest, or anything else.
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Is the age of Vox followers characterized by any particular age group?
No. I would say almost familiar, that the Vox boys are children or grandchildren of Francoists.
This is not the case of Argentina. I have heard from friends who are shocked because, suddenly, a twenty-something son or daughter of theirs is going to vote for Milei.
On the other hand, in Spain it has more to do with the maintenance of old traditions.
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Are you going to vote in the elections?
It is very probable. Even without having any idea what, I would like to go.
I’m just preparing a column for The country in which I reflect on this karma of not having a valid option to oppose something that seems terrible to one.
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I compared this with the Spanish situation this summer, where the possibility of Vox winning made many people who perhaps would not have voted for the Socialist Party, vote for it out of fear that Vox would win, but voting for the PS was not serious for them, they had very clear that it was better. On the other hand, in Argentina, I get the feeling that we don’t even have that.
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