NPR’s Scott Simon recently engaged in an insightful conversation with acclaimed Irish actor Barry Keoghan about his latest film, “Bird.” Known for his remarkable performances, Keoghan previously garnered an Oscar nomination for his role in “The Banshees of Inisherin” and created a lasting impression in the psychological thriller “Saltburn.”
SCOTT SIMON, HOST:
In her new film “Bird,” director Andrea Arnold revisits some of the poignant themes she is known for, such as the experiences of young outsiders, a hallmark of her acclaimed work in “American Honey,” and the dreams of adolescent girls explored in “Fish Tank.” “Bird” centers around a young girl named Bailey, who navigates the challenges of growing up in a low-income housing community in England amidst the turmoil of a fractured family. While the urban setting looms large, the unpredictable wonders of nature remain an essential backdrop. Barry Keoghan plays Bailey’s complex father, known as Bug. Keoghan’s talent was previously recognized with an Oscar nomination for his role in “The Banshees of Inisherin,” and his striking presence was also felt in “Saltburn,” along with his unforgettable appearance on the Met Gala red carpet. We’re thrilled to have Barry Keoghan join us today. Thank you for being here.
BARRY KEOGHAN: That’s a lovely introduction, by the way.
SIMON: Well, thank you. I will certainly pass on the compliment. Can you tell us about your character Bug?
KEOGHAN: Bug is a character in turmoil, someone grappling with his identity while failing to acknowledge the responsibilities that come with fatherhood. He embodies the struggle of many young parents trying to balance their own desires with the needs of their children.
SIMON: He has kids, doesn’t he?
KEOGHAN: Yes, he has children, and similar to most fathers, at times he can be selfish, prioritizing his own life over the needs of those he loves. This character highlights the harsher realities of fatherhood without glossing over them. It’s an experience that resonates deeply with me, and it allowed me to dive into relatable themes while feeling a sense of security in the capable hands of Andrea Arnold.
SIMON: Can you share with us more about your own upbringing? I understand it was a bit turbulent.
KEOGHAN: Yes, I indeed had a challenging upbringing, going through foster care with my younger brother before being welcomed into a stable and loving home with my grandmother, who provided us with the care we desperately needed. Our journey was filled with ups and downs, and it shaped who I am today.
SIMON: Your mother faced significant hardships in her life, correct?
KEOGHAN: Yes, she did. God bless her. She was quite young when she had me, and my father was also young, which presented its own set of challenges. Now as a father myself, I’ve gained insight into these burdens. I can appreciate the weight of responsibility and the navigation required in life. Whereas I couldn’t grasp that when I was younger, it’s clear to me now that breaking the cycle of hardship is crucial for the next generation.
SIMON: Let’s listen to a scene early in the film, showcasing an interaction between you and Bailey, played by Nykiya Adams. In it, you confront her about the short haircut she chose just before your wedding. Let’s play that scene.
(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, “BIRD”)
KEOGHAN: (As Bug) What the f*** did you do to your hair, man?
NYKIYA ADAMS: (As Bailey) I cut it.
KEOGHAN: (As Bug) Did you do it on purpose?
ADAMS: (As Bailey) Yeah.
KEOGHAN: (As Bug) Ah, you got to ask me when you do stuff like this. You can’t do this.
ADAMS: (As Bailey) Move out my way. I’ve got s*** to do.
KEOGHAN: (As Bug) You have to ask me. I’m your father, darling.
ADAMS: (As Bailey) You don’t ask me about getting married.
KEOGHAN: (As Bug) ‘Cause I’m an adult. You’re f***ing 12.
ADAMS: (As Bailey, yelling) So what?
SIMON: How do you mentally prepare for such a father-child scene?
KEOGHAN: In that moment, Bug confronts the reality that he doesn’t fully believe in his role as a father. It’s a moment of conflict, where he resorts to authority instead of showing genuine understanding. The scene is dominated by his own preoccupations, revealing his disregard for what his daughter is experiencing during this pivotal stage of adolescence. His self-centeredness shines through.
SIMON: If I have it right, you turned down “Gladiator II” to take part in this film with Andrea Arnold?
KEOGHAN: There were indeed some scheduling conflicts that prevented me from juggling both roles. It was unfortunate that I couldn’t participate in both projects, but I have reasons for choosing particular films. At the time, “Bird” and the character of Bug resonated profoundly with me, aligning better with my growth as an artist and actor. Collaborating with Andrea Arnold has always been a goal of mine.
SIMON: What draws you to Andrea Arnold’s work?
KEOGHAN: Andrea has an extraordinary ability to delve deep into the human experience. Each of her films brings forth performances that reveal raw emotions—something that cannot be merely taught. She fostered an environment of trust that allowed me to explore profound feelings without feeling invaded. I knew she would push me to discover more within myself, making her one of the finest filmmakers of our time. Her impact on me has been significant.
SIMON: Can you share how you first got into acting?
KEOGHAN: Honestly, I’m still trying to figure that out myself (laughter). It feels like an unplanned journey that fell into my lap. I was in search of a medium to express myself, and in my background, there were various avenues to do so—some good, some bad, and some illegal. Acting became the outlet where I could authentically explore my imagination. At some point, I realized this was something where I could also earn a living. It became a passion, a place where I felt I belonged.
SIMON: Let me try some amateur psychology here.
KEOGHAN: Go on.
SIMON: When you transition through 13 different foster homes, it probably encourages some level of acting.
KEOGHAN: Absolutely! When you gain perspective on your experiences, you grapple with your identity. The feeling of rejection permeates your thoughts, especially when it’s clear that acceptance is fleeting in temporary homes. That emotional landscape often leads you to explore various personas. You try on roles, seeking what feels like an authentic fit, and that search is undeniably tied to my journey.
SIMON: In this film, you showcase some impressive dance and singing skills.
KEOGHAN: I do indeed.
SIMON: (Laughter).
KEOGHAN: You could say I’m a triple threat—actor, dancer, and singer, right?
SIMON: Yes, and in “Saltburn,” you had a particularly bold scene that was just you and the camera.
KEOGHAN: (Laughter) That’s true. There’s something about being vulnerable in front of a lens.
SIMON: In this film, you sing a poignant song by the band Blur.
(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, “BIRD”)
KEOGHAN: (As Bug, singing) Though the words are wrong, it really, really, really could happen. Yes, it really, really, really could happen.
SIMON: The song takes on added significance after witnessing the film’s events.
KEOGHAN: Absolutely. Each song plays a crucial role in expressing emotions that go beyond words. The film itself embodies honesty and vulnerability, reflecting the challenges faced by so many. Everyone knows a Bug in their lives—whether it’s a brother or a father—someone who often displays immature traits, and at the heart, it’s about maintaining that innocence.
SIMON: Barry Keoghan – his new film, “Bird,” is now showing in theaters. Thank you for sharing your insights with us today.
KEOGHAN: Thank you very much for the lovely interview.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “LUCKY MAN”)
THE VERVE: (Singing) Well, I’m a lucky man.
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How do you navigate the balance between choosing projects for personal resonance versus commercial success?
C part of yourself. It’s a fascinating and, at times, painful journey, but that struggle has informed my acting in profound ways.
SIMON: It sounds like your past has given you a unique lens through which to view your characters. Speaking of your acting choices, you mentioned turning down “Gladiator II.” Can you elaborate on that decision?
KEOGHAN: It was a tough call, you know? “Gladiator II” is an incredible project, and working with such a legendary franchise was tempting. But when I read the script for “Bird,” it resonated with me on a personal level. The portrayal of Bug and the relationship dynamics in this film struck a chord and offered an opportunity to delve into a character that felt very real and relatable to me, which is often a driving force behind my choices.
SIMON: It sounds like you prioritize depth in your work. What do you hope audiences take away from “Bird”?
KEOGHAN: I hope they see the humanity in it—flaws and all. Parenting is complex and not always straightforward; seeing Bug’s struggles might remind viewers that everyone is doing their best, albeit imperfectly. I also hope that it sparks conversations about the challenges faced by families and the importance of empathy and understanding, especially in trying times.
SIMON: That’s a powerful message. Before we wrap up, is there anything you’d like to share with your fans about upcoming projects or what’s next for you?
KEOGHAN: I’m really excited about what lies ahead. I’m exploring various projects that allow for creative risk-taking and continue to push my boundaries as an actor. There’s always something brewing, and I can’t wait to share it with everyone when the time is right!
SIMON: Barry, it’s always a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you for your insights and for sharing your journey with us.
KEOGHAN: Thank you for having me, Scott. It’s been great talking with you.
